host_1_07-14-2026_171706 0:23

Hey everybody, welcome back to TCB. Today on TCB we are talking to David Biles. David, what's up man? Welcome to the show

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 0:30

my name's David. I don't know too much about kinda the economy per se. Like I understand it conceptually, took basic level government classes in high school, but I'm excited here to learn more. And, uh, yeah, I mean, you can always check me out on YouTube or TikTok. know, like I said, I don't know too much with the ec- about the economy, but I'm a guy that cares. You know, I care a lot about thinking about the future or just having a lot of like, more of a deeper thought process when it comes to, you know, money and things like that, more than just, oh, well, I can buy this and make myself money. It's more of like, I buy this to make myself money, but what's the effect on everything around me?

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 1:09

dude. I mean, I think you're ahead of most people, man. I don't think people think about money a whole lot, and I think once you start to think about money a little bit, be like, "Hey, what the heck is money? What do I actually need it for? What are we doing here?" And then when you think about it from a system perspective, I think that's what ultimately led me to Bitcoin, was I was thinking about how jacked up our actual money is, and I was trying to figure out if there was a better way to do it, 'cause it seems like we're just in this compounding debt spiral that's gonna cook us all. So it seems like there has to be a better way. Uh, I came across David on TikTok as, uh, you made a little video talking about how, you know, you don't understand how housing, it should not be, like, a depreciating asset, dude, and I've always said that myself. I'm like, "Hey, man, like, why are we expecting a house to be 10X more valuable after 10 years or 20 years or whatever?" It seems like to be a Toyota Corolla, keeps getting shittier, you gotta replace it with something and, you know. But we've kinda monetized our housing because our money is busted. So, I'd be curious kinda what your thought process was kinda leading into you making that video. And then just kinda dovetail into, since this is, like, a Bitcoin podcast, what's your overall impression of Bitcoin, man? I usually ask people where did they hear about it first, and then just, like, w- if, if you can even remember that. And then what do you think about it? Just general impression.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 2:24

The first time I ever heard about Bitcoin, I've always been kinda like an internet kid. Like, I got a phone pretty early on, and ever since then. I wanna say the first time was within the 2010s. I couldn't say the exact year exactly. But I remember I heard about it early on just through like YouTubers or like people that are like known to be in online spaces that got on it kinda early. And I've always thought, I was like, man, if you did work a job that like you online all the time and you heard about Bitcoin early, there's so many people that made tons of money off of that. And that was always kinda like what I knew about Bitcoin. I understand somehow it gets mined and that's the-- And I also understand there's like supposed to be a finite amount of Bitcoin, apparently. I don't fully understand how that works either 'cause I'm like, is there not-- Can you not just make more Bitcoins? Is that

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 3:19

Yeah. Hey, dude, it's a great starting point, so let's just unpack that there. So yeah, there is... The whole idea of Bitcoin, right, was, the, the kind of anonymous creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, coming out of, like, the '08 housing crisis. He saw how we were just bailing out all the banks. Everyone was basically like, the mortgage holders were losing their house, losing their ass, but we showed up with a whole bunch of printed money, and we bailed out the banks to make sure the banks were okay, didn't really care about the people so much. And he was basically saying that there's, an infinite amount of money that the government is willing to print. You need to come up with some kind of money that they cannot control, they cannot stop, and they cannot print. So they won't be able to dilute everybody's savings away, as is happening now, as we see the price of everything around us ripping because they cannot stop printing money. So the idea was, "I gotta create something that has a finite supply." He did that just by computer code. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a coder myself, but if anyone kinda understands code, you can basically, you know, code anything to have certain parameters. The Bitcoin protocol rolls out, and the software dictates how many, Bitcoin get issued into the system about every 10 minutes, and it just has a hard cap of 21 million. So every four years, he started by every single block issues 50 Bitcoin, and then it went to 25, and then it went to 12. So it's really just a mathematical protocol. We're now at the point that 3.125 Bitcoin get issued every 10 minutes with that-- when t- when every block of transactions gets processed by the software. But it's just the way that he chose to issue it into his system in a known way that's known to all of the users of that system, and nobody can change it because it's a decentralized computer network. So kinda similar to the internet itself, every single computer kind of has a vote in the system, and there's no single, you know, central server or processor or data center or CEO or anyone in control that can make just a singular change to that software or that network. It would have to be a consensus change. So now you have people running, that software on computers all over the world. There's tens of thousands of computers basically running the same software network. They're all contributing to the security of that network. And in order to make any changes of the network, you need to convince, an overwhelming majority of the people running that software to implement the new software version and implement the change. But just leaning into normal economic incentives, because this happens to be a monetary protocol, the one thing that you could pretty much guarantee that all the users of the system are probably not going to change for any reason would be to increase the supply, because if they increase the supply, it dilutes the you know, Bitcoin that they're holding.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 6:00

Gotcha

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 6:00

any economic incentive to do so. So it really, I mean, the idea of diluting a currency is really so you can steal from people against their will. So the people that are protecting the network themselves and owning the currency themselves, they're not gonna ch- they're not gonna vote to dilute themselves, you know?

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 6:18

Yeah. it's kinda like an online democracy in a way, where it's like they all kind of have to have a similar thought process before anything could really be changed within the system

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 6:29

Yeah, 100%. It's just opt-in voluntary, so just like, I mean, anyone could run a node, anyone could run the software, anyone could buy Bitcoin or not. So it's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's just incentivizing people to, you know, bring processing power to the network 'cause they get financially incentivized by issuing Bitcoin to whoever kind of wins this lottery and gets to put the next block of transactions out there. But you can just kind of trust the protocol because it's decentralized and because there's no... I mean, yeah, just think of it, I guess like an analogy would be if you take like the United States dollar, it's controlled by the government, and in lieu with the government, the Federal Reserve Bank, which is not a government entity. A lot of people don't know that. It's like a cartel of banks that like basically makes money by lending it to our United States government, but they get to create it out of thin air. But it's like a central entity that basically anytime they need more liquidity, they just hit a couple strokes on a keyboard and just create more money. So the idea of kind of Bitcoin was to decentralize that so there is no central governing body. So even though that we, I mean, we're human, we know that that kind of greedy, like greed exists. It's like just a normal human like condition. But you just have to create something that no matter how greedy any singular actor is, they don't have any control to make that change on their own. So they actually have to get buy-in. So imagine if the US, um If they had to hypothe-- in a hypothetical universe, if the US had to go to its people and it said, "Hey, we wanna increase the money supply by whatever, $9 trillion," and we would have to vote on it, like the people would be like, "Hang on, how does this help me?

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 8:12

Suddenly."

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 8:13

Yeah, and it was like, if you needed the buy-in of the people, they'd obviously say no. Like the, the, the insidious thing about it is they just do it against our will, without our vote, and it's really the most kind of in-insidious power they have. It's having the most effect on our lives, and it's something that we don't have any say in whatsoever. None of us approved it. None of us voted for it. Nobody said increase the money supply. Nobody said, you know... I mean, we did establish the income tax, we did establish the Federal Reserve, but I don't think the intention was to just increase the money supply without limit. They see the rent going up. They see the health insurance costs going up. They see housing going up. They see groceries going up. But they don't, they don't have the, they don't have the wherewithal to really connect that third order thinking of like, why exactly is that happening? The best kind of-- I mean, you, you're on TikTok like me all day long. You see people railing against greedy corporations, and I was like, "Well, a couple things here." You know, they're all, obviously they all had a big meeting right around 2020 and decided to get exponentially greedier because everything has gone up like 30, 40, 50% just in the past six years. So either...

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 9:21

it's,

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 9:22

Yeah, go ahead.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 9:23

one industry. It's like every industry, they all came together and they were like, "We are going to charge exponentially more, higher than the rate of inflation, higher than rate of anything, and we're just gonna be increasing prices ever s-" It's crazy

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 9:36

I mean, the point there is, either, like you can kinda think of it like either all of the companies met on some secret island at some secret retreat, and they all had a secret handshake that they were all gonna keep increasing prices at the same time. Or you could just look at the other side of that equation, and no matter what I'm buying, if I'm buying groceries, if I'm paying rent, if I'm trying to buy a house, if I'm buying a car, all of those things, half of that equation is money. So it just makes a lot more kind of sense once you just kind of like objectively break it down. It was like, "Oh, well maybe it's not all the goods and services that are simultaneously getting repriced higher. Maybe it's the money getting repriced lower." And like that would just make sense why it's everything, and it's not isolated to like a particular industry or a particular business.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 10:22

Hmm. Yeah, 'cause you do see a lot of-- I do see a lot of people thinking it's like corporations and everything, and it always kinda goes back of mind where I'm like, corporations to an extent, but it's kinda like the government, 'Cause it's like

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 10:35

yeah

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 10:35

the government could s- one, they could stop them from doing anything that would be seen like egregious to like the population, but they don't. And then it's like, on the second hand, if they didn't just keep printing money, I feel like there'd be less of a... They, they wouldn't want to raise prices as high it would just, the value of a dollar would still be worth more

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 10:59

Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, just think about it in, if you just really simplify it, if you put it in a vacuum, you know, the economy is $100 and the whole economy is 100 apples, and then suddenly you still have 100 apples, but the government goes ahead and just doubles the money supply to $200. So now you got $200, you still have 100 apples. So the just normal economic equilibrium-seeking machine of the free market was, okay, we had $100, we had 100 apples, dollar an apple. You got $200 floating out there and you still got 100 apples, $2 an apple. You got $500, you still got 100 apples, $5 an apple. And that's what's happening. We're just increasing the money supply because the government is in a completely insolvent debt position. We have $39 trillion of outstanding debt. We're running $2 trillion deficits every year. So we bring in 5 trillion in taxes, we spend 7 trillion year after year after year. So it's, it's not even that they're really choosing to print the money. They absolutely have to print the money, and they cannot stop printing that money. And since it's a compounding math problem, it's gonna-- it's moving at an exponential rate. So, like the prices have been going up. I mean, like anyone that, say, bought a house in the 1980s, whatever they bought it for, 100 grand or something, it might be worth like a million dollars. It might have taken 40 years to get there, but it's probably gonna be worth two million in a much shorter period of time. Like, it-- since it's a compounding math, it's just speeding up, and I think it's like we're starting to, you know, that old like, um, kinda like allegory of like the pot, or the frog in like a boiling pot, and kinda slow, slowly turning it up at first and then it just starts cranking up. You can kinda tell that people inherently feel it speeding up and kind of getting out of their control, and they know their wages aren't keeping up with it. They feel that anxiety, but they can't put their finger on why it's happening.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 12:52

So then I guess it says, so what, what I'm-- my understanding is what we're trying to do with Bitcoin is trying to make like a decentralized system to kinda take the power out of the government's hand to be able to do that. But what dictates, I guess then, the value of a Bitcoin?

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 13:11

I mean, it's subjective, right? I mean, a Bitcoin at the end of the day is gonna be worth whatever somebody else is willing to pay you for it. So it's a matter of... And I think, the reason why it seems from an outside observer like, "What is going on, dude? This price is all over the fucking place. It's like it's up to 120, and then it's down to 60, and it was at 60, then it was at 50, and then it was at 60 again." It's just like, it's like nobody-- It's the world, I think, is trying to figure out, what is this worth to me? And I think because a lot of people don't have perfect knowledge about it, obviously, you kinda have, like, two things going on here. You have a growing monetary network almost similar to the internet itself. Like the early days of the internet, a lot of people were doubters. Paul Krugman of The New York Times said the internet's stupid. It's not gonna last. It's just like the fax machine. But then eventually it came to just dominate, our entire lives. It's dominating this, this call we're having. It dominates your entire life. You're on your phone all day. We use the internet all day, every day for everything. So that network ended up winning out. And you think about any other kinda growing network technology like, cell phones or the internet itself or Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or, you know, X. Pick your kind of social network or any kind of network thing. grows, and then it just kind of explodes. So there's this growing network, monetary network that is Bitcoin. And then on the other side you have, sound money versus this ever-expanding fiat currency universe. So you kind of have a growing technology, and then you have, a sound money element where in that respect, it competes with gold, it competes with Treasury bonds, it competes with real estate, it competes with any other store of value. So there's, two things going on, neither of which people really understand all that well. So I think it's just the reason it's so volatile is, I equated it to, like, just imagine, like, a worldwide auction, and there's just people coming in, and they're making all these bids, but nobody really knows what it's worth quite yet. We're all still trying to kind of figure that out. But I think ultimately if... It depends on what you think Bitcoin is, whether it's just gonna be a kind of niche little nerd money that, like, people just only use in a tiny ecosystem. But since it's actually, it's engineered basically to be perfect money, if you think about, like we had gold was supposed to be our sound money. Gold became money because it had particular monetary assets. It was divisible, it was scarce, it was recognizable, it was portable. It kind of had these, like... They've debated this since, like, ancient Greek times, like, these parameters of what good money would be. Gold met that the best in the fi- or the, the natural world. It was a little too slow once we kind of sped up and had a more industrial and more technological economy. So we built this kind of, um, fiat layer on top of gold To be able to meet the speed demands of a modern economy because moving gold is very difficult, and we can't push gold over the internet, and we can't, you know, do these things. you had gold was the money, but then you had coupons or promissory notes which turned into dollars. They were supposed to be redeemable for gold, and then we just de-pegged from gold entirely in the '70s, and we're just, like, purely fiat now. That seems to be a horrible experiment that's gonna have a very terrible end, and it's only gonna la- I mean, we're 50 years in, it seems like it's already failing. But Bitcoin was kind of engineered. It was like, okay, instead of trying to find the best money in the natural world, or instead of trying to kind of come up with a makeshift, layer, credit layer on top of the money in order to come up with, like, the money's shortcomings, what if I treated money as an engineering project? It was like, I need money to do... Be fungible, durable, scarce, recognizable, all these things. I just engineer these parameters into this money that I'm building. And then, oh, what's the other part of money? The other part of money is it's too easily corrupted because if it's centralized, it's abused. I have to make a money that's incorruptible and can't be changed and can't be controlled, and I have to make sure that they can't dilute it. I gotta make sure that when people have a savings account and they go to sleep, it doesn't end up being worth half as much in five years because they're creating so many units. And then you also just look at kind of the fundamental functions of money, which is, you know, I need it to be a store of value, I need it to be a medium of exchange, and then eventually be a unit of account. And then I would like it so I wouldn't have to... I could just exchange the money directly. So instead of using a third party like Visa, where if I own a pizzeria, I have to give Visa 3% every time there's a transaction 'cause they're, like, facilitating the transaction. Is there a way that I could just digitally trade with my customers directly where there's no third party involved? So I think Bitcoin just looked at this overall kind of, engineering space of monetary needs, and it was like, "Hey, you know, humans are good at innovating. Let's figure out what exactly a perfect money would be, and let's just design it from the, from the ground up instead of looking for it." And that's what I think Bitcoin is, and that's what it's kind of proving itself to be. I think there's a evolutionary process to that happening. But that being said, what is the value of Bitcoin, which is your original question. It's going to be, I think what the future of Bitcoin hopefully is, is you look at the entire universe of store value assets, and that whole pie is about $1 quadrillion, which is like $1,000 trillion. When you add up, there's about $300 trillion sitting in, bonds. There's about $300 trillion plus sitting in real estate. There's about $100 trillion sitting in currencies, and then there's about $100 trillion in, kind of collectibles and gold and things like that. So, It's, it's going after kind of all of those things, and the potential total addressable market of Bitcoin is one quadrillion dollars, and then if you divide one quadrillion by 21 million, that would be kind of the, the, the potential highest upside you could have, Bitcoin be. Now, it's not gonna replace everything, but if you really look at, what is the monetary premium locked in those things, you have $100 trillion in currencies that are all losing value at an accelerated rate. So given the choice, if everyone could save money in money that actually preserved their purchasing power or potentially increased their purchasing power over time, that would be preferable. So there's 100 trillion it could take. You look at real estate, which is kinda why we got connected in the first place, you got $300 trillion, but how much of a house is utility value? Kind of to your point of it being a depreciating asset. How much of it is utility value, which would actually decrease over time? And how much of it is a monetary premium where people are investing in real estate because they can't save in money? Like, if they could just save in money, they would put their money in money. But since our money is shit, they have to put their money in something else. So then you end up with these people that are like, it's just like your homies too. It's like some guy and you're like, "Why do you have 17 Airbnbs, dude? Like, what are you doing?" And it's g- and it's, and it's 'cause they can't just save in money. so there's a giant monetary premium in real estate. When you look at gold, gold, like we said, was like the best money we could find in the natural world, but the reason we have fiat money in the first place was gold kind of failed as money. It got centralized. We put a credit layer on top. It couldn't really keep up with the modern digital economy. The beauty about a digital currency is it could be sent over the internet, it could be f- as fast as we need it to be, it could be as divisible as we need it to be. So it, it comp- it could completely, like, kind of demonetize gold to a certain extent. Even if it just meets the market cap of gold, which is like 30-something, trillion dollars, that would imply a Bitcoin price of like $1.7 million a coin. So, and that's just gold, ignoring bonds, ignoring real estate, ignoring the currencies. So, it's hard to say once all of these kind of, economic store value assets get repriced, because Bitcoin is kind of a new player on the field, how much of the monetary premium it takes from all these other buckets is kind of TBD. The low bar I think would probably be at least matching, um- At least matching the market cap of gold, 'cause it basically is digital gold. It does what gold does, but does it better. So it should take most of that. So like kind of at the low end. But, so I don't know. I mean, I would, I would argue it probably is worth somewhere between 1.5 billion and whatever that high bar is, like 10 million plus. But that's really for the market to decide. It's not for me to decide. I'm only one single market actor, so all I can kind of do is put out the like, probability frontier of like the potential markets it could disrupt. And then it's just a, it's an evolutionary process to see who comes to see it as, who comes to value it more than running five Airbnbs. You know, like who comes to that $300 sitting in bonds if I'm getting paid a three and a half or four and a half percent coupon on a bond, but the true debasement rate of money is closer to 8 or 10%? It's a negative dead money asset that's actually losing money every single year, so it should take most of that because... But I mean, you also have to be able to make the argument to a treasury holder that, like, 'cause their retort's gonna be, "Dude, Bitcoin lost 50% of its value this past year, so how is that better than making 5%?" But you have to be able to zoom out and understand that long-term, Bitcoin's CAGR-ing closer to like 30% a year, and it's, it's volatile. It's all over the place. But if you just kinda look at the, like the 200-week moving average, it's just slowly gaining value as it gains understanding. So you have to be able to weather the volatility, kind of understand where it's going, be willing to kind of take the ride, buy the ticket, ride the ride. But, I guess the, that's the long answer. The short answer is I'm not sure exactly what Bitcoin's worth, but I know it's worth a hell of a lot more than what it's priced today because it's not understood and it has a lot of different markets as far as monies go that it can disrupt.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 23:18

Well, I, I always had an idea that whatever it is worth right now is just gonna continuously go up from, at least from where we are now. 'Cause I mean, even like I said, back when I first heard about it, people were talking about... There's a, I believe it's like a, a story, like an old story about how a guy had invested Bitcoin early and then he paid for like a pizza with it. And then you look at the amount that he paid for the pizza with, it's like millions of dollars today. So

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 23:45

Yeah

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 23:46

i- I've always realized like Bitcoin is more about like the long-term investment. And my thought process after hearing what you were saying about it being similar to gold is if in like, in a world where everything works, I guess perfectly for Bitcoin is the idea that Bitcoin is kinda like that new base layer that we use and inevitably... Cause I mean, eventually someone would make like, like let's say Bitcoin was that new internet base of gold per se, and then inevitably I feel like someone would try to do the same thing they did with gold where it's like, we're gonna divide that up so you have one Bitcoin, but I can have like one one-hundredth of this by holding like this dollar.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 24:33

Yeah,

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 24:33

making

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 24:34

So kind of, kind of to your point, like gold was al- it's cumbersome to move, but it's also pretty hard to divide. I can't really walk into a Starbucks and like chip off part of my gold bar to like buy a latte. So the, the beauty about being digital is a digital thing is infinitely divisible. You just have to add more zeros behind a decimal point. So, already there's, even in the code, there's every Bitcoin, one singular Bitcoin you think of, is already divisible into 100 million pieces, which they call Satoshis. So that already exists, and it's so, so if you like, if you wanted to make that make sense kind of to our current system, if Bitcoin was worth a million dollars, a Satoshi would be a penny. So that already exists, and then if Bitcoin were to accrue so much value density that a Satoshi even was too much Then it's just code. So you could just like, you know, make an update to the code, divide it down further. So in that sense, like Bitcoin is kind of infinitely divisible, but dividing it is only because it's accruing so much value density and you're not diluting its value. Like, so it's, it's, it's a little weird because everyone's like, "Well, if it's infinitely divisible, doesn't that make the supply infinite?" And I'm like, "Well, no, it's still just one pizza." Like you're not... Yeah, you're just cutting it into smaller slices, right? So, um, but yeah, so that already exists. So great, I mean, great question. The idea is, you know, Bitcoin, the monetary network kind of is that base layer. It's probably gonna end up operating almost like the kind of SWIFT system does, where it's kind of like large, slow transactions, almost like between financial institutions. And then there's all these layer twos being built on top. So there's already, the Lightning Network. So I don't know if you saw, like, um, recently I went to Steak 'n Shake. Steak 'n Shake actually accepts Bitcoin. You can go in there, just like buy a burger and fries and a shake with Bitcoin, which is pretty cool. And if you ever do it, you go in there and you're using the Lightning Network. So you get on the kiosk, you're like, "Hey dude, I want this, this, this, this, this." It shows you a QR code. You get your Bitcoin wallet out, you scan that. It sends a Lightning payment. It settles immediately. So Steak 'n Shake doesn't have to pay Visa. They don't have to pay MasterCard. They get it directly. There's no chargebacks. So, their, uh, Steak 'n Shake's transaction costs have come down by like 50% because they implemented this. And I think it's, it's only a matter of time as understanding grows that more merchants will start to accept it and it'll make more sense kind of as everyday payments because, Jack Dorsey's company Block, who runs the Square terminals that are in most small businesses, they just rolled out functionality for Bitcoin to all, anyone using Square. So any business using Square can turn it on. And it doesn't mean they have to just accept all Bitcoin or only Bitcoin. They could either, I could pay in dollars and they could save some of it in Bitcoin. I could pay Bitcoin, they could immediately convert it to dollars if they want. Or I could pay in Bitcoin and they could accept Bitcoin. It basically gives them the full range of functionality to do that. And I think eventually as people come to understand that the dollars they keep on their balance sheet are stealing from them and the Bitcoin they keep on their balance sheet continues to accrue value, eventually more and more people are just gonna kind of, like capital just kind of flows where it's treated best. They're just gonna continue to turn it on because it's just gonna be better for them. It's gonna give them a competitive edge. So we'll see. I think it's gonna be a slow process, but it's, there's no, there's no technical limitation to that future happening in the present besides understanding

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 28:07

Mm-hmm. So like with them rolling out like Square and everything, that means like-- So there's no-- There would be no more like the extra 3% goes to Visa or 5% goes to whatever credit card company that you, that they would normally do

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 28:24

Yeah, so they wouldn't have to pay that transaction cost at all. 'Cause like you could think about Bitcoin is, Bitcoin is the same as if I walk in and just hand them cash. There's no, there's no third party between you and me. if you were working in your business and I just walked in and gave you cash, that's what Bitcoin is. It's digital cash. So it's a bearer instrument, but it's a digital version of a bearer instrument where, so instead of using a credit card, which is my credit card talks to my bank, talks to your bank, talks like it doesn't... There's all these intermediaries involved to actually have the transaction settle. In this case, it's just I give you Bitcoin, you receive Bitcoin. It goes over the protocol, which is this decentralized network that isn't controlled by anybody, cannot censor a transaction, cannot stop a transaction, cannot take a fee for the transaction. I mean, it, it takes a fee for the transaction, but doesn't like, doesn't take an arbitrary fee for the transaction. So, yeah, it just goes direct from one, one person to one person through this kind of internet protocol. So there's just no third party involved. And I think what you'll eventually see is just like Steak 'n Shake is learning. They're like, "Oh, this is pretty cool." Because I mean, a lot of these companies, despite the greedy corporation talk about TikTok we talked about, most of these companies, if you think about like restaurants, grocery stores, et cetera, their margins are very small. So if suddenly they don't have to pay a 3% fee on transactions, that might not sound all that significant, but for a low margin, business like that, it's, it's night and day different. Yeah. Yeah.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 29:59

It really makes a difference. Yeah, I actually work for kinda like a small business mom-and-pop style shop myself, and a lot of the times people will ask us, 'cause we do-- It's an appliance installation, so we're like in their house installing things, and they'll ask us if they can, like, if we carry one of the Square things, and we always have to tell them like, "No, you can just call into the shop." we always tell them like, "Just call into the shop." So hearing that makes me think like more and more small businesses need to get on that. It's kinda like, like my boss, he's older, so he may not know about this, but this is the kinda thing I would tell him, and it's like, we should do this 'cause we don't want to charge people extra. We don't want to have to deal with any of those extra fees, and this is a way we can just kinda there, in, get the transaction done, and then it's all settled right

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 30:36

Yeah. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. I mean, like literally you could, I think I need to do this live. Like, it's, uh, like these wallets, I've done this before where you could literally just pull up a wallet, you could show a QR code, like over Zoom, like over the internet, scan it, and just send money, and it settles final- like with actual finality. It's a bit like it feels like you're almost like you're like a witch or something. It feels like you've unlocked some kind of like really future technology that you're like, "How could that be possible?" Like, how could it be that kind of in- just instantaneous? And but that's what it is, and I think it's just a matter of like right now, anybody, anybody watching. So like here, it's like got like a Bitcoin wallet or it's got a Lightning wallet. So this is live. if you were talking to a client in Indonesia, he could literally send you the equivalent of cash over the internet with no intermediary in a matter of seconds, and it would settle at a final like b- have finality in a matter of minutes. It's just not something we've, been able to do with our money, and the innovation that could potentially unlock is just enormous when you can... I mean, I think somebody sent some, recently they sent some multi-billion dollar transaction over the Bitcoin network, and the amount of fees they paid was 60 cents. So they sent billions of dollars of value across the world for 60 cents. It's just,

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 31:55

yeah

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 31:55

yeah, it's a huge unlock. It's just a matter of all the most powerful players that have controlled these financial rails for our entire lives, they do not want to give up that power, man. They are fighting tooth and nail. I think the beauty is it feels like the incentive structure of Bitcoin is winning, so, last summer they passed the Genius Act, which was kind of like dealing with stable coins. Everyone's kind of incorporating stable coins, and I feel like that's just kind of the Trojan horse on our way to Bitcoin because it's like you can do all the kind of the digital transacting, but you're still doing it in the dollars that are getting debased because of the debt position. But you can do all those same things at a currency that's not controlled by the government, that cannot be diluted or censored, and I think that's the next step. But like it's the easy on-ramp just to be like, "Oh, it's just a digital dollar, just like I use dollars." Like, okay. But then the, the Clarity Act, which they're trying to pass, they may not, but that's just supposed to create rules for kind of all the rest of the kind of digital asset currency universe. Like who's gonna regulate this? Is it gonna be the C- the c- like, CFTC, or is it gonna be the Security Exchange Commission? Who's in charge? What are the rules? Et cetera. So I think the banks are just slowly bending the knee, and when you saw like, I don't know if you saw like now there's ETFs, so now like BlackRock has a Bitcoin ETF, Morgan Stanley has a Bitcoin ETF. Vanguard finally has one, even though they said they never would. It's, it's kind of this incentive structure where when everyone is kind of playing this dilution game where it was always try to find like the cleanest dirty shirt, but all, like all of the currencies are getting debased away, and then suddenly there's one that's not. It's really enticing as a business to like eventually gravitate toward the one that actually holds value and accrues value because, you know, you work for a small business, man. Like if one balance sheet is bleeding out and the other one's accumulating, that's gonna be a short game. You know? Like eventually you're gonna out, you're gonna out-compete. So I think it's just a matter of even though the banks don't wanna give up their power, even though the Visas of the world don't want this to happen, some innovations you just can't really stop. And, it just, it feels like Bitcoin is that. It's what the internet needed from Jump Street. The internet always needed a way to digitally send money with finality without an intermediary involved, and it just took a little bit longer to get there than the internet itself. But it feels like it's here, and I think a lot of people think of it, they're like, "Well, I'm gonna hold out until the next Bitcoin," like 'cause this must be like the MySpace. I'm gonna wait until, you know, the Facebook or the whatever, the next one. But, um, you know, it's, it's a protocol, so that would be as if the, when the internet showed up, instead of getting a webpage for your business, you were like, "Ah, come on. This is the first internet. There's gonna be a better one." And it's like, okay, but that's not how protocols work. They, they, you don't, they don't really get replaced. They evolve. So like it's probably just going to keep evolving to like meet whatever needs are, are, are there. But it's pretty hard to launch a network from scratch. It's like, I- anyone that's even launched a TikTok account knows this. Like, to just enter, like, an unknown arena and get anyone to care or follow or watch or, you know, connect, it's, it's not easy. And it kinda takes like... It'd be as if I was like, "I could go and start a new Twitter in my basement right now." The, the hard part is getting billions of people to use it. And it feels like, Bitcoin was able to do that, even though it was never pushed by any company, never had an advertising department, never had any of that. Just its incentives took it from one guy's laptop to now being, I would argue, one of... I mean, there was a time when people didn't know what the hell Bitcoin was, but now when you at least see that orange Bitcoin B, the brand recognition is, like, rivaling, like, Coca-Cola. At least it's like people have seen it before. And it's just really hard to go from nothing to there, and to the point that now you have, you know, all the world leaders at Davos, even though they all seem to hate Bitcoin, they can't stop talking about it. And then you have presidents talking about it. You have banks talking about it. It's really hard to get that level of penetration, and I think even despite having that level of penetration, it's still only adopted by, like, less than 5% of the population. So all of its growth is still ahead of it, despite the fact that it's already getting kind of what they call, like, Lindy. The Lindy effect is, the longer something's around, the more likely it is to continue to be around. So I think all of these industries that it will disrupt, they... It's kind of a join or die thing. Anytime there's a new technology, the old guard is always fighting against it. When they first invented automobiles, they had a rule that there had to be somebody walking in front of it waving a big red flag to tell everyone to get out of the way, 'cause they were like, "It's too dangerous. It's too fast." And it's like, but some- I mean, there's just some innovations that, are so helpful, at the end of the day, you cannot stop them, no matter, no matter what. There's just certain things that once there's an idea whose time has come, you just cannot stop it, and I think, I think Bitcoin's one of those things. But it's obviously, it's up for... Just like I said, it's up for vote. We'll see if everybody comes to find the value in that. I think what is becoming increasingly obvious to me is there's a whole lot of people I see in their car screaming into a camera about how expensive their life is getting. I know Bitcoin can help them. They just don't know it yet.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 37:29

Mm-hmm. It's kinda like how people used to say like in- you need to invest early, but like investing early now is things like Bitcoin or like things of that nature, just so that they're increasing at a rate that actually will you to a point where you have some savings or you have kinda like this, uh, extra like behind you so that, you know, like you said, you put money into a savings account, it's almost like it's losing money faster than it, than you could gain it with it just sitting there.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 38:01

Oh yeah, it's not almost like, it absolutely is losing money. they pay you 0% on a savings account, and the inflation, they're debasing at 8% a year and it's accelerating. So,

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 38:12

Mm-hmm.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 38:12

the real answer is you have to put your money somewhere that earns more than 8% a year. And if you're not getting an 8% raise every year, you're falling further behind. You just have to understand that that's the money dynamics we're dealing with, and it's ruining people's lives, but that doesn't change the math. So, it's just a matter of understanding it and then, like, voting with your own time and energy, 'cause money is just your time and energy that you gave away and were compensated for. So when they dilute your money and they take your purchasing power, it's as if they just, like, threw away three hours of your workday and they're just like, "You didn't get compensated at all." They're stealing your time from you. And, like, once you see it that way, it becomes really insulting, and it's just like they do not care. They, they kind of, like, blatantly throw it in our face. They never explain inflation to you. They never explain why prices are going up. They always blame the greedy corporation instead of taking any accountability for, like, the unsustainable debt and unsustainable spending that's driving the problem. They never tell you, and that's why nobody knows, because it's not on CNN, it's not on Fox News, it's not on NBC. They'll never tell you this stuff. So, they're basically gaslighting you into thinking that it's some other problem. So, I mean, because everything is going up, everything is hitting all-time highs at the same time, which if you hold any one of those things probably feels good. You're like, "Hey, I picked the right thing." But when you see everything hitting all-time highs all at once, I think it has to give you pause to be like, "Hang on a second. What's, what's going on here? How is, how is everything winning?" The only thing that's not winning is the wage earner that doesn't hold any assets. He doesn't have a house. He doesn't have a portfolio. He doesn't have gold. So, he's just losing his ass, and it's driving him crazy 'cause all he wants to do is, he doesn't wanna become a fricking financial manager when he goes home. He wants to play with his kids. You know? Like, he wants to just do his job, get paid in a fair money, and go home and live his life. And that used to be possible. It wasn't until we went onto this, you know, rat race of fiat money printing that you started to steal from everybody in their sleep without them knowing. And it's just, like, the most insulting, insidious thing. Then enter Bitcoin, where you're like, it's just mathematics. It's complete, like- Like all you have to do is trust math more than you trust people. And I'm not saying all people are bad, but

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 40:37

Mm-hmm.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 40:38

But exactly. Math is not gonna two-time you. Math is not gonna lie to you. Math is not gonna steal from you. So it's just like you just put it there and you're like, you could just trust. You're like, "Hey, because I know they're increasing the amount of dollars in the universe, and it's just gonna continue to reprice this finitely scarce thing, I know that even if nobody adopted it, not a single new person adopted it, just the fact that they're repricing it because they're adding so many fiat units into the system, it's gonna reprice just 'cause of that." And then you have the demand story of 95% of people don't understand it yet. They need it, they just don't have it, and eventually they'll come to it. So you got kind of those two things converging at the same time that are both just upward price pressure on a Bitcoin as long as it survives. But, you know, it's got the most powerful enemies on Earth. It's got governments that don't like it. It's got central banks that don't like it. But it's pretty much proving to be a cockroach. It's like it doesn't care that you don't like it. You can't kill it

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 41:39

That's always been a good sign to me. It's like all these like corporations or governments that seemingly would have the money and resources to put something like this to a stop, this is such like a needed and effective thing that nothing they can do about it. Like it's really, there's no option for them to get rid of it, 'cause we as a people kind of slowly are starting to understand like, yeah, you guys shouldn't be able to just dictate how much what I do is worth at like the drop of a dime. The other thing that I think is very interesting about Bitcoin is you kinda said it earlier how someone could be in Indonesia and right now just send a Bitcoin over, which I think is really-- It's almost like how the internet connected the world in a way. I feel like the next step to that is like people using, for the most part, like the same type or similar type of currency. So it is that simple for everybody to just like sit in one country and then from another country just send this over immediately. Like you don't have to worry about conversions or anything. Like it's just got paid and that's what it is.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 42:46

Yeah, dude, 100%. Yeah,

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 42:48

I just wanted to ask like, is Bitcoin available like around the world or is it kind of centralized to certain countries or wherever there's people mining it

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 42:57

Oh, I mean, dude, it's, it's everywhere. I mean, they're mining it everywhere. A lot of the mining and a lot of the b- like America just has a lot more expendable income than a lot of the world does, so a lot of Bitcoin is owned by Americans. It's like something like 40% or something now. El Salvador is basically on like a, they moved to like, you know, a Bitcoin standard. It came out like a lawsuit with Kraken that, uh, uh, Bhutan had been mining it for years with like their just kind of stranded hydro energy that was going to waste. So they were way ahead of it, and then now it's, you know, I think the US owns, I mean, if you believe the stats, they own like 300,000 something of them. China owns 200 and something thousand of them. Russia is starting to unlock and l- allow banks to handle it. You know, Iran is pricing oil in it. They tried to let you, like be able to pay a toll through the Strait of Hormuz with Bitcoin. So it is kind of just kind of hitting its moment now where, just like any technology, I think about this, about, the internet itself was this way, I'm old enough to remember like my buddy's dad had like a car phone and we thought it was like the coolest thing in the world. You're like calling, you're like, "Oh no dude, I'm in a car." And they're like, "What? What do you mean you're in a car?" But it's like... Or, but I think probably the best kind of contemporary example of this is, like Uber. Like Uber didn't exist and it seemed like it was nowhere and then you snapped your fingers and it was just suddenly everywhere. And I think we're about to see the same iteration of that, of like these kind of, uh, cyber cabs and Waymos. So like Waymos are just showing up. I took o- I took one in like San Francisco but, and they're in Austin. They're just kind of beta testing in Denver now. But once this kind of like self-driving taxi idea gets off the ground, it's gonna be another one of these technologies that was seemingly nowhere and then overnight you're gonna blink and it's gonna be everywhere. So I think that's kind of similar to what's happening with Bitcoin where everyone kind of there's like a first they, uh, you know, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. I think Bitcoin's kind of working its way up that ladder where it was just straight up ignored at first. It was like, "Oh, this is just stupid internet nerd libertarian money in some corner of the internet." And then they laughed at you. Every time anyone brought up Bitcoin of any kind it was just mocked. They were just like, "Oh yeah, Bitcoin. Yeah sure, blah, blah, blah." Like you saw that everywhere. Similar to like there's an old clip of Bill Gates and he went on the David Letterman show, and he was kind of trying to explain the internet to Dave, and he's like, Dave just didn't get it, just like anyone did. Like, it was a new technology, didn't understand it. And there's like, he's like, "Well, you could do XYZ with it. You can listen to this." And he was like, he was like... And Dave Letterman's like, "Oh yeah, cool. Have, have you ever heard of radio?" And he was just like, just laughing at him. He was mocking him. And then the internet went to take over everything. And then, then it's the then they fight you stage. I think we're somewhat in that, where all the banks are trying to shut it down, all the credit card processors are trying to shut it down. All the central banks are trying to shut it down because just like we kind of talked about, they want everybody to use digital currency, but they want everyone to use digital currency that they control, that they can program, that they can tell you, Hey, if you don't spend this money to juice our economy by the end of the month, it's gonna expire." Or, "Hey, you took six trips to Europe this year. That's a little too many. You can't actually buy a plane ticket until next January." And they can program your money to do that. So they kind of want the complete social engineering control, so they want to pivot there. But even they're kind of slowly coming around to the idea of, "If I cannot stop this thing, I have to adopt this thing." So we're kind of still in the then they fight you stage. I think there still might be another shoe to drop there. But just like how this kind of started with wouldn't it be cool if you could go anywhere in the world, and we're kind of all on the same value proposition, one that helps prevent f- like us exploiting other people in kind of a slave labor way because we're all kind of using the same sheet of music. So, you know, China can't just devalue its currency to make sure that it's the export capital of the world. It just has to compete on its own, as opposed to like manipulating the, the price of the labor. But also it'd be like you could go to Japan, you could just walk in and like you don't have, just like you said, you don't have to exchange the currency. We might get to the point that there's like a bi-metal era where, you know, for anyone that's like from out of seas, think of all the people here for the World Cup. How beautiful would it be if everyone was accepting Bitcoin? Now, they all use different monies, but they all also understand Bitcoin, so they're like I'll just pay you in Bitcoin," because we all have that collective understanding. Now, whether you have to turn around and turn that into euros or yen or yuan or dollars or whatever, bolivars, no big deal. But, we might, might kind of get there, but I think eventually, hopefully it just collapses into one where Nobody wants to be stolen from. Like, and I mean, we complain about inflation in the US, it's a lot worse in other places, dude. I mean, there's places that inflate at 200% a year, and they just don't... Like, they literally just cannot save their money. They have to reset their money multiple times. We have the benefit of being able to, since we have the reserve currency of the world, like Venezuela, if they're filling the pool a little too fast, it's gonna overflow real quick. But we get, we get to steal from everybody on Earth that uses dollars, and that's a giant pool of people. So it's like you can really take a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, and they don't really even notice. It's kind of... I think it's kind of the, it's kind of the math behind the idea of, like, a 2% or 3% inflation rate in the first place. It's like, well, why is that good? And it's like, well, it's good for debt because you can pay off debt with cheaper dollars over time or cheaper money over time. But it's also the rate at which you can steal from people that they tolerate it, or they don't really notice, or they don't really care. 'Cause I mean, if you're gonna say 2% inflation's good, then why isn't 20? Why isn't 50? Why isn't 75? And it's like, because I think it's because if somebody breaks into your house and takes 2% of your stuff every night, it'll take a little while for you to notice, like, what the hell's going on. If somebody breaks into your house and they take half your stuff, you notice as soon as you open your eyes.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 48:52

what happened?"

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 48:53

yeah. Yeah. So it's just kind of this slow, slow way to insidiously steal. But yeah, I think we're getting to the point where- it's kind of happening everywhere all at once, and it's gonna seem like it was nowhere, and then it's gonna seemingly seem like it was everywhere. And the beauty about that is since nobody controls it, but everybody has incentive to adopt it, then it also allows us to, kind of vote with our energy, where since it's a jurisdictionless asset, we're gonna be able to choose as humanity to go where our labor and our energy is treated best. So if there's really authoritarian regimes, I could leave that place with all of my net worth in my head. And people don't understand how powerful that is yet, because in the US it doesn't really matter yet. But imagine if you were in Ukraine when the bombs started dropping, or you were in Iran when the bombs started dropping, and you literally had the choice of just grabbing anything you could have in your arms and getting the hell out of there. Now, with this, since all of your value can be locked into a network that nobody can actually control, now you can memorize the password to your account, and you could literally walk across a border butt naked with all of the energy you've ever earned in your life in your mind, which it's a disincentivize, disincentivizes violence. It lets people kind of flee very horrible situations without having to lose everything. So it's just kind of a game changer technology. And I get... I know that got a little bit meta, but it's like once you kind of understand the power of what we're dealing with here, you kind of understand why it has almost this kind of black hole gravity where it's just kind of slowly sucking everything into it, whether people want it or not. It's just kind of happening, and it's just better to just... Just like the internet, you could have fought it, and you would have lost. Or just like telecommunications, you could have fought it, and you would have lost. Just like the steam engine, just like the motor car, you could fight it, but it seems that the incentives are you're going to lose, so you're probably better off... I mean, I, I was younger at the time, but if I had a time machine and you know what you know now, I would have gone back and learned everything I could about the internet right when it showed up, you know? It was like, I mean, all Mark Cuban did b- to buy a basketball team was figure out how to get people in Texas to be able to listen to an Indiana Hoosiers game from Texas. That's all, that's all it was. That was the innovation. But it was like he just, but he, uh, but to his credit, he was just early to an innovative technology. Instead of laughing at it, instead of fighting it, he leaned into it, and now he's a billionaire. So

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 51:28

And

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 51:28

I think,

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 51:29

from my understanding, that's like the opportunity we all kinda have with Bitcoin right now to where it's like if we get it now and kinda like figure out and understand it, we're kinda in early, which means like I would assume our odds of having some kinda wild success, even if it's not to the same level of Mark Cuban, is just higher in my th- in my brain

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 51:49

Yeah. No, I, I think that's true. I, I think it's early enough that it's an asymmetric bet, and it could be like a Hail Mary. But then I think also, honestly, the real power in it is just you, you get, you get respected again. Like, you can literally go to work, do your trade, save in something that you know they can't take. And I think, I think, dude, the energy I see cooking up online when I see this stuff is people are trying to point the finger at the boogeyman. They're trying to make it about politics. We keep kind of like, we keep throwing the keys across the car as if, if we change the Messiah, somehow things are gonna get better. But meanwhile, everything continues to get worse, and it seems to be gaining momentum. And I think once we understand that it's not a politician problem, it's a math problem, then we can kind of consider binding together where... Like, when, when you print money, that money has to find its value somewhere, and it finds its value in all the other money that people are saving in and working for. So when you print money and you inflate asset prices, you basically, you debase everyone, you dilute everyone working for money, and then you basically mathematically rotate that money from the bottom to the top of people that are holding asset holders. So I understand why people are mad that the rich are getting richer. I am too. But it's, they just wanna go and they're like, "Hey, that guy has nice stuff. Let's take it and spread it around." And I'm like, it's kind of like trying to fix a leak by bailing out the boat. I was like, You gotta fix the leak." Like, you have to, you have to fix the math that's causing it in the first place. And I see so many people so angry that should be on the same team, and they're so busy fighting each other about a math problem that they cannot change, that they're just wasting a lot of time and energy doing that. And I was like, "Dude, all you need to do is every time you get paid in a, in a money that is mathematically engineered to steal from you, immediately convert it into money that they cannot take." And if we all did that, that is the revolution. And the beauty of that is then we're all kind of working for each other, because when we all go to work and we all put energy forward, right now it's getting confiscated and moved upward. But if we all saved it in money that nobody controlled and we all held, then all of our work and all of our in- ingenuity and all of our effort, it goes to all of our fellow man that's also working for that money and also saving that money. It doesn't get confiscated upward. So it just makes this like all that anxiety It makes you like, I see these people that just don't want to go to work 'cause they don't see the point, and I completely understand that because the math is bad and it's taking from them. But if you could go to work and you knew every single ounce of energy you benefited from, and not only you benefited from, but your loved ones benefited from, it's a gr- much greater incentive to just be like, "Hell yeah, dude. Let's, let's, let's pour a cup of coffee. Let's, let's buckle it up. Let's go kick some ass." Like, it's just a different incentive system, and it just, I... In my eyes, totally superior. We'll see if it comes to fruition, but...

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 54:53

It

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 54:53

David, dude, that was a... Yeah, go ahead, dude.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 54:56

No,

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 54:56

That was a quick hour.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 54:57

Yeah, it really went by. yeah, I mean, it all makes sense to me. It's like the whole thing of if we all just stop working and making money at the same time, that's not really good for anyone. But if we just stop the government from having the ability to really devalue and take our money, that kind of just stops the source, then we're kind of at a new page where we can continue on.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 55:19

Yeah, thank you for coming on, man. I don't know if you had one big question you're sitting on over there that we could hit before we're done, or did we, did we hit it? I appreciate that

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 55:26

I think you got most of my questions that I had. I mean, like I said, I came in here pretty, like, new to the space, general understanding, but you answered a lot of like my deeper questions on the idea of like the end goal of Bitcoin is going or like where the idea, like the main idea would even like the point was, 'cause that was always really like I was lost on. It's like I didn't fully understand the reasoning behind just making another system of money, but you telling me how it's not centralized and like we kinda keep our value and then also with the whole being able to connect the world and everything all just really eye-opening to the ideas behind the whole cryptocurrency in general

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 56:07

It's a cool idea, dude. It's a big idea, but it's a cool idea, and hopefully for the benefit of all of us, it continues to grow, man. But, uh,

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 56:13

Mm-hmm.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 56:14

hey, dude, well, uh, I know you said you're on TikTok and YouTube, man. Where can people find you? What are you working on? What's your YouTube channel all about, man? What you doing? Where can people reach out?

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 56:23

well on TikTok and YouTube it's both Aviddin, A-V-I-D-D-I-N. On YouTube I do a lot of gaming or just reacting to music kind of content. On TikTok it's more of a variety, but like I said, you can kind of hear me talking about things I care about and the way I care about other people on there.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 56:43

Dude, dude, yeah, dude, I love that actually, 'cause that, that just like, I would just came across you just randomly and just struck a chord 'cause I was like, "Dude, this homie gets it. This is awesome, man." That's why I reached out. I was just like, "Hey, dude, I think I got something you might be interested in, dude." Cause

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 56:55

I,

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 56:55

I completely feel that anxiety, man. So, cool, brother. Well, dude, thank you for taking a little time tonight, man. I really appreciate you coming on here. I would throw out if, if you or anyone else listening here, if anybody else knows anybody that's willing to be, uh, put a little courage up there, put themselves in the hot seat like David did tonight, man, this is really just about, educating people about, you know, what might actually save us all here. So, if you're willing to do that, reach out. I'd love to have you on the show. Uh, share this with your friends and family, man. Hopefully they get curious too. And we all thank David for, uh, taking a little time and getting his que- or his questions answered today, dude. So Dave, thank you very much.

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 57:31

Thank you.

host_1_07-14-2026_171706 57:32

All right, brother, take care

david_1_07-14-2026_191705 57:34

Of course